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Full of the Dickens: Kindle-ing More Debate
December 12, 2007

Last night I was chatting with a friend and mentioned that something I'd recently read was like "comfort food for the mind" (and you can be sure I'll be asking you in a future blog entry what your "comfort food reads" are), and it got me thinking about the many different ways I read: sometimes quickly, sometimes slowly; sometimes thoughtfully, sometimes hastily; sometimes with deliberate care, sometimes with page-flipping abandon.

Because, of course, there are different kinds of books.

Just because it might not be comfortable, smart, or even proper to read War and Peace on a Kindle, as Jason Epstein alludes to in this LA Times article by David Sarno, doesn't mean it isn't all of the above to read a guide to St. Petersburg on a Kindle. 

Confronted on his dislike of e-readers, Jonathan Franzen said "Am I fetishizing ink and paper? Sure, and I'm fetishizing truth and integrity too," also citing the "mutability and transience" of electronics.

Ooooooooooooooooookay, Mr. Franzen. Considering the "mutability and transience" of ink and paper (think silverfish, think woodworm, think crumbling paper, rotting sheepskin, and fading type), e-ink looks pretty good. Of course, I realize that what he and others are really afraid of is the chance that their deathless prose might be changed at a reader's whim (he says it's Kafka's deathless prose he's concerned about, but let's face it: all authors are thinking of their own words), but there are lots of ways to prevent this, and they're often more effective than simply printing something between clothbound covers. After all, anything that's printed, whether on a page or on a screen, can be copied somehow.

Meanwhile, Cynthia Ozick wrote in an email that "I absolutely repudiate and eschew the Kindle! Even if in its next version an olfactory element is introduced; even if in its next version a tactile element is introduced; even if in its next version it accepts cookie crumbs between the lines." Ms. Ozick, enough about your snacking habits; we need to discuss the more important question of whether we are going to allow books to become fetishized, precious objects, or whether we are going to consider books essential tools of living. Essential tools often change, and sometimes different versions -- gasp! -- coexist. 

I don't really care that much about the Kindle as Kindle. It will change; there will be a Kindle 2.0 and a 6.0, or it will disappear. What I do care about is that we find as many ways as possible to get and keep people reading. We know that it's difficult to keep nine-year-olds who love books reading when they reach the teen years; we know that people buy fewer and fewer titles in indie bookstores; we know that other types of media, entertainment, and work take up our time. 

Yes, to Jonathan Franzen and his ilk (which sometimes includes yours truly), an ideal reading scenario involves an Arden Shakespeare, a deep armchair, and unfettered, focused time (add some Mint Milanos and you have Ozick's ideal scenario, also sometimes that of yours truly -- but enough about my snacking habits). Ahhhh. Lovely.

Now, wake up, sir! Or madam! We are in a new era. Sometimes a book is just a book, and not a precious reminder of golden hours gone by. Ink and paper books are wonderful for the kind of literary fiction that Franzen and Ozick write, but e-ink and techno books are fantastic for faster and even mutable reads (guidebooks, cookbooks, and more). Since e-readers are well suited to receiving newspaper content, too, I daresay that some venerable authors might smile on the devices as ideal for serialized novels.

Posted by Bethanne Patrick on December 12, 2007 | Comments (19)


December 12, 2007
In response to: Full of the Dickens: Kindle-ing More Debate
Julie commented:

"I don't really care that much about the Kindle as Kindle. It will change; there will be a Kindle 2.0 and a 6.0, or it will disappear." Sure, and in the meantime, many people will be spending hundreds and hundreds of dollars on devices that, by your own admission, will become obsolete. I'd rather spend that money on books themselves. Jonathan Franzen's histrionics aside, I resent the implication that those of us who don't want the Kindle are "afraid." There's nothing wrong with being a little cautious, especially if (1) you already like books made of ink and paper and aren't looking for an "upgrade" right now, and (2) money is tight, as it is for a lot of us--and given the state of the economy, that may not improve anytime soon, either. Anyway, your precious Kindle is selling out at Amazon, so perhaps you don't have bang the drum for it quite as hard as you think you do.




December 12, 2007
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Amy Wachspress commented:

I agree with Bethanne, that we need to look at all opportunities to keep young people reading. If the Kindle works, more power to it. But Doris Lessing's words about how we take books for granted, like water, in the Western world, and what a book means in Africa gives one pause. I urge you to read her Nobel Prize in Literature acceptance speech that was printed in the London Guardian last week. I'd put the URL in here, but the PW system won't allow it. I'm sure you can provide it in tomorrow's blog if you choose. Amy (Woza Books)




December 12, 2007
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Mark David Gerson commented:

I had a long soak in the tub this morning...with a book. Something I'd be reluctant to do with a Kindle. At the same time, I can see lots of good uses for the Kindle— particularly for travel, where a bunch of reading material can stashed in one book-size device, and for research, where all the books on a single topic are conveniently at hand. I think the debate as currently framed is wrong. It's not whether a reading device will replace the book. It's how they will evolve side-by-side, each with its own strengths and benefits. After all, TV didn't kill the movies and videos/DVDs have yet to destroy the movies. New tools don't necessarily kill of the old. They just offer us more choices. Mark David Gerson www.themoonquest.com




December 12, 2007
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Rosamoline commented:

Sure, I suppose real books are "mutable" -- nevertheless, I am able comfortably to read books that are hundreds of years old. On the other hand, what am I to do with my eight-track recordings from just a few decades ago?




December 12, 2007
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Mac commented:

I have no interest in the Kindle or any e-reader, but I don't mind if someone else wants to read that way. It's true we may be in a new era, but I don't think that era is going to see book sales increasing dramatically because of a new technology. People who have such high hopes for e-reading are out of touch. In the end, I'm all for readers, whether they choose paper or plastic, but let's not kid ourselves into thinking the Kindle is going to change much of anything.




December 12, 2007
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sherry suib cohen commented:

As a former teacher and a author of 21 books,let me kindle-ize this issue: how does an author get paid customary royalties on book sales if anyone can, for free, download, upload---whatever the devil you call it--the book over which she's mightily labored? Where do writers' rights come in? Anyway, just for joy alone, how do you get the smell of the ink, the touch of the paper, one last cookie crumb from a kindle?




December 12, 2007
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JEANNE TOMLIN commented:

I don't care about cookie crumbs AND books may smell nice but when I write I want my "product" offered to potential buyers in any and every format possible. How are authors paid for downloads? By royalty just like the ones on paper. Anyone who is unaware that downloads of books are purchased, just like downloads of software and music then they need to educate themselves instead of sitting around ranting. I have no expectation that ebooks will suppercede print ones, but the technology is here and isn't going away. They are going to co-exist whether the Franzens of the world like it or not. Incidentally, I prefer reading on-line and only add books to my physical library if they are ones I expect to re-read.




December 12, 2007
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Kevin A. Lewis commented:

E-books have the potential to be loaded with all kinds of nifty features (and even more hidden costs and boobytraps) and are mainly useful for busy travelers and diplomats; I rather doubt that working class literacy is going to be much improved by something that sells in the hefty 3 figures and is maintenance-intensive as a lot of these sound...




December 12, 2007
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Halbooks commented:

I think it's amazing the debate stirred up by Kindle and ebooks in general. It's another delivery system, not an attack on reading! On the contrary, if you do your homework you'll discover that ebooks are already here, already very much a part of our culture. Many publishers--Harper, for ex--have their own ebook websites. And last I looked there were about 30 ebook online distributors, with authors making money that way! I still love a nicely designed hardcover but I have my ebook reader, too, and wouldn't part with it. I've read, at last count, something like 30 novels on it, mostly mysteries, and a half dozen or so non-fiction books. I've gotta say, reading mysteries on a nice backlit screen in the middle of the night has its own delights. And by the way, I'm a working writer with a number of my books available in ebook format. No problems, mates! I've been around the publishing industry long enough to remember the huge resistance there was to personal computers. Now the industry thrives on computer tech, couldn't exist without it. Why, we even print books from the authors' own electronic files! My advice is lighten up about ebooks. There are lots more important things to debate about. Hal Z Bennett




December 12, 2007
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Laura Kirkwood commented:

My view is, if you want to read on a Kindle, go ahead. If you don't want to, don't. I agree with Bethane that there are some books I absolutely love, the "keepers" and then there are others I read and pass on to someone else. For these types of books, a Kindle might be a great way to read a book without having to reserve precious shelf space.




December 12, 2007
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R.L. Stine commented:

I've always laughed at the various ebook readers and said the book is a perfect package. So I'm surprised to say I'm really impressed with the Kindle. I put a 600-page Trolloppe novel on it, made the type nice and big, and am reading away-- without having to lug around a 600-page brick of a book. I have six books on it now since I'm heading off to a beach vacation. If I don't drop it in the sand, I think I'll be very happy!




December 12, 2007
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Steven Hartung commented:

I would like to see a study done on ebooks, comprehension and memory. I am a tactile learner and cannot imagine ever "crossing over" to any electronic version. My sympathies to the younger generations, as I envision an age when it may become necessary to smuggle paper reading products onto airlines, etc, due to some bizarre future regulation.




December 12, 2007
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Bethanne commented:

Keep those comments coming -- because not only do your comments bring me traffic (KIDDING), they make me think. Julie, I take your point about implying that the anti-Kindle folks are "afraid." Not all anti-Kindle people are afraid; some simply hate it. But I have found that in many areas of life, hate is just the opposite of love, and I wonder what might happen if Cynthia Ozick tried a Trollope on her Kindle a la R.L. Stine? But I wasn't clear or thoughtful enough, and I'll try to do better next time.




December 12, 2007
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Chris commented:

Ahh, the majesty of royalty. Jeanne, I'm not as optimistic about the download issue as you. I don't buy software, I don't buy music, I don't buy dvds. I watch 'Entourage' seasons straight from LIVEWIRE. Store hundreds of 'shared' albums on a 400Gb external hard-drive, run countless applications from that abyss as well. I'm 35 years old. I get a lot of my content needs from my younger brother, the 'Y' Generation being, surprisingly, useful for some things! This liberated content is then shuttled onto my 56 year old mother's external hard-drive. She hasn't a clue how it all works. It just appears for her pleasure ... for free. I do, however, buy books... many books, even R L Stine's. Mind you, I think this shared download issue could possibly even scare the hell out of Bob one day. You see, I can post you my son's Goosebumps books tomorrow or I can share the digital versions with a billion people right now. Don't for one instant think that proprietary software will protect the publishing industry - it hasn't saved any other. Maybe author tours will eventually be the cash cow, a la music industry. Maybe you could sell out Madison Garden with a reading or two, Bob?! You can scribble your signature on the back of my Kindle... it's a first edition.




December 12, 2007
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Kevin A. Lewis commented:

And meanwhile your hard drive has just been spam-botted by an online pirate in Kazahkstan and is sending out a million pitches for young dating material as we speak...Welcome to the digital age! By the way, Bethanne, I think R.L. Stine's reading of Trollope on a Kindle just won you the award for Coolest Blog Posting of 2007....




December 13, 2007
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Christine commented:

My eyes are getting as old as the rest of me. I'm very particular about typefaces and point sizes these days. Sometimes it pains me to reject a book due to these things alone, so a Kindle could be useful there, if I had a spare couple of hundred bucks. (Which I don't.) Instead, I find myself listening to books on tape / CD from my local library. It allows me, too, to do more than one thing. For now, this is my medium of choice for reading.




December 13, 2007
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Amy Wachspress commented:

I always thought reading and writing was about communication. I guess I'm just naive. Royalties and technology, typefaces and audio, it all gets so mind-boggling. I write to connect with other people on a meaningful level and I read to connect with other people on a meaningful level and does it really matter what format we use to communicate in the end? Isn't that the small stuff? Isn't reading and writing all about finding meaning in this seemingly chaotic often heartbreaking and for us lucky ones continuously delightful life business? So I say Kindle Shmindle -- a tempest in a teacup. And how come Mark David Gerson can put his URL in his blog comment and mine bounces every time I try it! For the record, I just bought The MoonQuest by Gerson for my son for Christmas because I keep hearing good things about it, but it better get here in time for me to read it first! Amy (you can find me and my children's fantasy book at wozabooks)




December 13, 2007
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Chris commented:

Sorry to harp on the royalty thing again... Let's take James Patterson's 'You've Been Warned' as an example. Amazon List Price is $USD27.99 for the Harcover (not including amazon's own discounting). The Kindle Price: $USD9.99 Paperback not currently available. Can I assume that authors will need to negotiate a separate royalty for Kindle? Otherwise is doesn't look pretty for the content producer. Say we have 10% of list price for a royalty for the first 5000 copies printed... Author takes: Hardback @ $2.80/unit - compared to... Kindle's @ $0.99/unit 15% of sales thereafter... Hardback @ $4.20/unit - compared to... Kindle's @ $1.50/unit Publishers obviously fore-go the print costs of a hardcover - let's say 3 bucks a unit for 5000 copies ex. China. Given that publishers discount 55% of list price for Amazon, I'm wondering why publishers are embracing Kindle? $27.99 against $9.99 just doesn't add up. I'm also wondering how authors feel about reduced royalties. Am I wrong on my math here ... maybe someone can enlighten me some more on the financing.




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